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Author Topic: Probably Fake Sennheiser CX500 Titanium(eBay)  (Read 904 times)
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« on: June 23, 2010, 07:44:57 am »

Hi, just recived my CX500, and I'm pretty sure they are genuine.

I bought them on eBay and the seller confirmed them to be real, he also listed their serial number:



So I went ahead and got them for 22 pounds and free shipping.

Here are som photos for you to judge. The seller is http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/l-s-higham-electronics/

He doesn't have in stock now, but talk to him, anyways the photos:

Overall quality fells good, the pouch is not leather.



















The only thing that arose my suspicion is the logo on the right earphone, it looks like it's off center, on the left one it's in the center






Music is still playing at minimum volume






My clip has only two coils, and not three as I saw on some black version's photos










The package after I opened it so maybe I flipped the insides



Sound is very bassy, to much, my head hurts, sound quality is fine, but very hard to judge with that base
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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2010, 12:06:02 pm »

With the far higher quality of what are now considered to be 'Original' counterfeits some of the old differences are nearly obsolete. My main concern with your Sennheiser's are

1) The 'S' on the pouch. That's pretty shinny

2) how did your overall package look? (click this link and look at this CX300II red).

Have a look at the 'S' logo on yours in particular.

http://www.fakeheadphones.com/forum/index.php?topic=606.msg2168#msg2168

But my advice is still the same. Stay off ebay, and buy from mymemory.co.uk




BTW thanks for the pictures Cool
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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2010, 12:19:17 pm »

I see what you mean, my logo is very shiny indeed, and the earbuds too, and have numbers on them.

The package was high quality, I don't have pictures of it and it is ripped now.

but what about the clip? only two coils?

So probably they are fakes, but I must tell you these are some quality fakes.

I need your advice on how to deal with the seller, I don't care about a refund, I want to put a negative feedback because many people bought theirs from him and didn't even notice.

I wish mymemory.com had these cx500, they don't sell them.


Another important question.
Does that Ord.No/Art.Nr. should be different for each pair of earphones? I guess yes. If so then these are definitely fakes. he sold many headphones with the same Ord.No including mine, and re-listed them with the same one.

Thanks
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2010, 02:52:59 pm »

Ord. number is the same on all CX500.
And truly this is a fake, because the grill looks strange (it placed deeper then on real) or maybe it's my imagination.
But true giveaway is the rubber in 3.5mm jack, it's too shiny and have a rough texture.
Also the pouch logo is shiny, stitching not good, the spring on clip like you sad have 2 rings.
And cable winder\earbud holder looks not real, because "Sennheiser" logo is thicker and centered, while on real logo thinner and logo is little upper then center.
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2010, 03:29:36 pm »

I see what you mean, my logo is very shiny indeed, and the earbuds too, and have numbers on them.

The package was high quality, I don't have pictures of it and it is ripped now.

but what about the clip? only two coils?

So probably they are fakes, but I must tell you these are some quality fakes.



And that's the problem. gone of the days when Sennheiser CX's sold for a few quid and the 'Sennheiser' logo looked like it'd been drawn on by Stevie Wonder. Nowadays the counterfeit market is far more sophisticated.


I need your advice on how to deal with the seller, I don't care about a refund, I want to put a negative feedback because many people bought theirs from him and didn't even notice.


I think in all fairness you need to email (don't open paypal dispute yet) the seller and tell them that they are fake, and then wait for the response. You might get lucky, the seller might give you a refund straight away. After you've notified the seller that they're fake, then and only then should you leave negative feedback. Give the seller a chance to respond, but leave negative feedback anyway.





I wish mymemory.com had these cx500, they don't sell them.

Unfortunately not.

Keep us updated on your progress. It’ll be good to hear what happens.
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2010, 07:57:50 am »

Ok, Seller agreed to refund me.

I sent him the earphones today. I'll report you end of story soon.

He claims that according to some good guides that he saw he didn't find anything suspicious about these earphones.
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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2010, 11:19:53 am »

Good guides that was made few years ago?  Smiley
Yes, compared to them, headphones looks almost real... almost..
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2010, 02:10:57 pm »

Good guides that was made few years ago?  Smiley
Yes, compared to them, headphones looks almost real... almost..

I'm going to have to write a stern article on this ..... warning people that some of the old ... guides are now nearly obsolete.
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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2010, 02:24:35 pm »

yes it's a good idea, these fakes are getting better. I think they are on to this forum! in fact you can suspect anyone, even myself.

Let's say just for an example. I was to create these pairs of fakes and wanted to know what to improve? hh Wink
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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2010, 04:09:22 pm »

yes it's a good idea, these fakes are getting better. I think they are on to this forum! in fact you can suspect anyone, even myself.

Let's say just for an example. I was to create these pairs of fakes and wanted to know what to improve? hh Wink

There is that debate, however

1) If you really wanted to do that, all you need do is to buy the genuine thing. They'll tell you about how to perfect the design better than I ever could! There are lots of details I leave out. My eyes aren't what they used to be Cool

2) I'm here to protect my money and the money of anyone else who thinks they've been had.

I defend fakeheadphones.com for the second time.

3) Problem is that apart from a list of authorized dealers, there is no information on how to tell if the headphones you've bought are fake.

4) A lot of reviews by other people turn out to be sellers that want to promote their own fake headphone via our friendly auction site.

5) Who better to trust, than someone who's not trying to sell you something! That's why I haven't gone down the seller's route. Bar the fact that I'm trying to get my limp career as an artist off the ground, I think it would be as self serving as those who peddle this counterfeit stuff.

http://scarlettsart.wordpress.com/
http://mscarlett.deviantart.com/

I'd rather find trusted sellers like mymemory.co.uk and let them sell to you.


Now if someone likes to trawl this site then they're quite welcome and I'm sure they are, but more fool them. This site isn't simply about recognizing fake, but what to do when you have and how to fight for your money back. They might be able to produce a near perfect copy, but how can they stop me from getting a refund from the seller.

The contact that gave me the (what turned out to be fake) Red CX300II headphones stated that they would be sending the batch back and will be seeking a refund including VAT and Tax. E4 kingdom (see sponsor list) stopped selling fakes, and is now doing well selling good MP3 and MP4 players. O.K. it's a small result, but it is a result!

I'm not here because I think I will be able to put the counterfeiters out of business, I'm here because I saw that there was a significant problem in my chosen field of .... expertise, for want of a better word.

I stared fakeheadphones with not one ounce of my own information. I simply collated reviews from other sites and linked to them.

After realizing that some ebay reviews were a bit touch 'n' go, who else to trust with my own money but me, so then I started to write my own reviews.

Now fakeheadphones hasn't been able to stop sites like headphonesale.co.uk pooping up, but I'm not here as an individual thinking i'm going to take down every bad guy. I'm here because I know that I can trust myself. As it happens, others seem to trust me as well. The overwhelming content of this forum is made up from contributions from other people.

If companies like Bose, Shure, Pioneer, Panasonic, Sennheiser and Audio Technica with their legal teams can't stop people producing counterfeits I know I won't be able to. But If I can help by catching people out one at a time, then I'll have a go.

Like I said to the gentlemen who stated the same thing as you did about counterfeiters using this site to perfect their product I still say it's possible but given that they can buy the real thing from the likes of mymemory.co.uk, look at it, hear it, sniff it, pull it apart, I dare say that's it's unlikely they pay much attention to sites like this, or head-fi.org, or to reviews on youtube.... or reviews on any other of the sites that I link to.

Please also remember that although the above CX500 are good copies, not all counterfeiters produce headphones to that level. I've had good and bad counterfeits, fake headphones that the blind swordsman could discern.

Then there are copies like these CX500's, and I bet they sound every bit of their price tag? Most of the counterfeits I've heard sound dreadful, but the 'Original' copies are convincing if all you new about the CX's is that they have base. But there's no finesse to the sound, and they still won't convince a true CX owner.

And there is no consistency with counterfeits. Counterfeiters want to 'get by' 'make do' 'as long as they fool the average customer' and so you have the differing levels in the products. Some people purposely buy counterfeits ... well this site isn't for them.

I defend fakeheadphones.com for the second time.

Lastly I'm here to protect my hard earned. If you're here for the same reason, then I hope the information given by everyone here helps. If you are here to perfect your counterfeits, then I'd say; spend a few quid and see, touch, feel and hear the real thing, then make your counterfiets ... and we'll see if we can tell the difference Grin

If I were to produce counterfeits, I simple wouldn't need to bother with this site, I'd get it right the first time! As someone who is taking an art degree, who's won prizes for my work, someone who got the 2nd highest mark out of over 70 students for life drawing, observation is 90% of drawing ... not the finish piece Smiley  It's a shame my eye sight isn't what it used to be, or else I would have come 1st Cool

http://scarlettsart.wordpress.com/category/life-drawing-18/
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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2010, 08:58:30 am »

I see what you mean, my logo is very shiny indeed, and the earbuds too, and have numbers on them.

The package was high quality, I don't have pictures of it and it is ripped now.

but what about the clip? only two coils?

So probably they are fakes, but I must tell you these are some quality fakes.

I need your advice on how to deal with the seller, I don't care about a refund, I want to put a negative feedback because many people bought theirs from him and didn't even notice.

I wish mymemory.com had these cx500, they don't sell them.


Another important question.
Does that Ord.No/Art.Nr. should be different for each pair of earphones? I guess yes. If so then these are definitely fakes. he sold many headphones with the same Ord.No including mine, and re-listed them with the same one.

Thanks

2 Coils.
Look.
At
Matt's 33 images.

When I got my cx500s (they broke, refunded)
I realised, that I was looking in through the wrong side of the clip.
You will see 3 coils when you open up the grip, i.e. you're just looking on the wrong side of the clip (from the back)
Open up the clip with your fingers, and you will see (where the lip of the clip has grips) there ARE 3 coils.
Check, matt, without touching your clip, (in your 33 images comparison photo, you opened up the clip and took the photo of the coils while the clip was opened, you took the image from the front, I realised that afterwards) you will see there are only 2 coils I believe.

http://fakeheadphones.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/dscf4335.jpg <- Look at that, you will see that Matt's fingers are pinching them, and there is the grip/lip for the clip =]

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_AWQM4gFivqM/TCH7kyIBUsI/AAAAAAAAI5Q/VDd5H4wfe80/s1024/IMG_1553.jpg
Now look at yours.
No lip, yours is an image from the backside, hence 2 coils
Matts is from the front, hence 3 coils.
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